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This made me angry

I received this e-mail at work this morning from an acquaintance overseas (not from any lj friends I might add):


The DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEWS AND MUSLIMS

The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000; that is ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world's population.

They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:
1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace:
1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1990 - Elias James Corey
1994 - Yaser Arafat:
1999 - Ahmed Zewai

Economics:
(zero)

Physics: 
(zero)

Medicine:
1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
1998 - Ferid Mourad

TOTAL: 7 SEVEN

The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000; only FOURTEEN MILLION or about 0.02% of the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:
1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Si nger
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer 
  

World Peace:
1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Physics:
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 -  Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Ben jamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno  Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 -  Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 -  Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Si dney Altman
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marc us
1995 - Martin Perl
2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics:
1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Si mon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Si mon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Mark owitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine:
1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herb ert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Si r Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Ben acerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen  [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Edward B. Lewis
1996- Lu Rose Iacovino


TOTAL: 129!


The Jews are NOT promoting brain washing children in military training camps, teaching them how
  to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims! The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in German restaurants. There is NOT one single Jew that has destroyed a church.  There is NOT a single Jew that protests by killing people.

The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.

Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.

Muslims must ask 'what can they do for humankind' before they demand that humankind respects them!!

Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between
Israel and the Palestinians and Arab  neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on Israel 's part, the following two sentences really say it all:

'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel '.
      Ben jamin Netanyahu

General Eisenhower Warned Us

It is a matter of history that when the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death camps he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead.

He did this because he said in words to this effect:

'Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses -because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened'

The UK debated whether to remove The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it 'offends' the Muslim population which claims it never occurred. It is not removed as yet.. However, this is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving into it.

It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended.
This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the, 6 million Jews, 20 million Russians, 10 million Christians, and 1,900 Catholic priests who were 'murdered, raped,  burned, starved, beat, experimented on and humiliated' while the German people looked the other way!

Now, more than ever, with Iran , among others, claiming the Holocaust to be 'a myth,' it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets.

This e-mail is intended to reach 400 million people!
Be a link in the memorial chain and help distribute this around the world.

How many years will it be before the attack on the World Trade Center 'NEVER HAPPENED' because it offends some Muslim in the United States ?

Do not just delete this message; it will take only a minute to pass this along.






Racism/intolerance knows no colour - no particular religion/sect/tribe grouping is immune from it. I'm disgusted at what I perceive as the trivialisation of a terrible moment in human history in order to attack another ethnic grouping.

And if you want to know how long it took to deny the attack on the World Trade Tower "ever happened"? You need to see this. I don't think Dana Perino, ex-White House Secretary, has ever been accused of being a Moslem.

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Yes, and they are otherwise quite nice people too.

Somehow I don't think the author of that piece ever won the Nobel.

I don't blame people for being unable to surmount the terrible hurdle of the parochialism of their cultural ties. It's a hard thing. But I do think it should be possible to recognise this for the unreasoned and destructive nonsense that it is.

As always, I'm impressed with the language used in the Fox clip to deny the terrorist attack on the US during Bush's presidency.

But Muslims aren't an 'ethnic grouping' as such, Islam is a religion and capable of being blamed or acclaimed like any other. One cannot help the country they're born into, or the race of their ancestors, but they can choose to believe whether killing someone because they have profaned their god is an idea of merit. Or whether such practices as female genital mutilation have anything to recommend them. It gets tricky.

By maintaining a liberal tolerance, we end up tolerating the intolerant and the intolerable. What would be a good response to the invective would be to point out the bias of the Nobel committee, to question the validity of Kissinger's peace prize, and to list just a few of the social and cultural initiatives that were a part of Islamic society when other cultures were still behaving like barbarians.

It might also do to point out that Israel is the oppressor, continuing to build settlements. And that it claimed far more lives, and caused a great deal more devastation, in its last attack on the Palestinians than was done to them. I have read too many accounts where the Arab community have been unable to have their voices heard due to the entrenched bias favouring Israel in all disputes. This is why it is so important to have a President like Obama who can genuinely reach out to these nations, without fear or favour.

But Muslims aren't an 'ethnic grouping' as such, Islam is a religion and capable of being blamed or acclaimed like any other. One cannot help the country they're born into, or the race of their ancestors, but they can choose to believe whether killing someone because they have profaned their god is an idea of merit. Or whether such practices as female genital mutilation have anything to recommend them. It gets tricky.


Yep - ethnic grouping was the wrong term to use. Female genital mutilation is a tribal custom AFAIK, not dictated by Mohammed unless you have a source. Me - I'll just quote from Wikipedia:

"The traditional cultural practices of FGC predate Christianity and Islam. A Greek papyrus from 163 B.C. mentions girls in Egypt undergoing circumcision and it is widely accepted to have originated in Egypt and the Nile valley at the time of the Pharaohs. Evidence from mummies have shown both Type I and Type III FGC present.[41] (Note that the earliest evidence of male circumcision is also from Ancient Egypt.)

UNICEF reports that:

"... Al-Azhar Supreme Council of Islamic Research, the highest religious authority in Egypt, issued a statement saying FGM/C has no basis in core Islamic law or any of its partial provisions and that it is harmful and should not be practiced."

Coptic Pope Shenouda, the leader of Egypt's minority Christian community, said that neither the Quran nor the Bible demand or mention female circumcision."

By maintaining a liberal tolerance, we end up tolerating the intolerant and the intolerable. What would be a good response to the invective would be to point out the bias of the Nobel committee, to question the validity of Kissinger's peace prize, and to list just a few of the social and cultural initiatives that were a part of Islamic society when other cultures were still behaving like barbarians.


Good response for whom? It's one of those arguments that you lose the further you engage with it, IMHO, like creationism or climate change denial. You're not going to change their mind.

I can't say I despise all religions equally, but I do despise fundamentalism. Is there something about Islam that amplifies fundamentalism or makes it more toxic? I don't know. I do think it's more helpful to see "the war on terror" as a more post-colonial struggle than as a religious battle. Islam appears to be stuck in a male-dominated cycle of adolescent angst - is it helpful to critique it as above, or engage it with a different approach? Sending it to military school would appear to be counterproductive.

Besides, the way my Jewish friends and acquaintances have framed the struggle to me is that it's an existential one - Islam wants all traces of Judaism scoured from the planet - so it seems they're prepared to return the favour.

It might also do to point out that Israel is the oppressor, continuing to build settlements. And that it claimed far more lives, and caused a great deal more devastation, in its last attack on the Palestinians than was done to them. I have read too many accounts where the Arab community have been unable to have their voices heard due to the entrenched bias favouring Israel in all disputes. This is why it is so important to have a President like Obama who can genuinely reach out to these nations, without fear or favour.


Again - we're arguing against an already entrenched position. I was just appalled because an acquaintance was making the very same kind of arguments (and, to my mind, the same kind of inference about being less than human) that their own religion had been subjected to - I don't believe that any further engagement, rather than rejecting the racist nature of it, was useful.

Or maybe I'm just a moral coward.

And by existential struggle - it's not the kind that middle class white people like you and I can (hopefully) ever really identify with.

No, I completely agree with your stance. It is one of those cases, probably, where someone is so strident in their belief that they don't even really realize how offensive their message is. I have relatives in South Africa so I know something of that cultural clash, defined by who you are rather than by how strong your 'argument' is.

Unfortunately I'm not good at letting sleeping dogs lie, so I weight into the fray, despite the futility of doing so.
But I am somewhat iffy on passing on messages (obviously it's different if you interrogate the assumptions, as you have) as even the well meaning ones can be disturbing: I'm still wondering why I had to be subjected to that one about the sadist couple who tortured their infant son to death. Very graphic, very nasty, and why, to insight outrage? I think I would get the picture without literally getting the picture.

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